This is a first draft of this project. CodeName: Project 833.

To become involved simply go to Media links below and tell us about your interest and input.

Project 833 is a crossbred iniative of victims, survivors, advocates, Human rights and justice advocates of those abused and denied justice by religious institutions. We are located in Australia. Project 833 is focused on Justice being served in a psychologically safe environment with adequate support once medical evidence has been obtained to establish an original confirmation of their claim.

NOTE: Making notes etc for this page : #Project833: Urgent Need for Legislation to Ensure Accountability of Religious Institutions as Project 833 - you have the option to be identified in whatever way you require. Alternatively you can use an Alias which would begin with 833.

833-3: "Crazy enough to be locked up 9 times over 46 years ..definitely Crazy enough to get dsp ...no way" JohnB: important thing and is incredibly relevant to my own circumstances and a few others I figure - Perhaps this shows that there might be value in making a menu based set of pasges based on the topics suggested. I will feed that into gpt and get a structure from it

833-007: Is, there any research on the numbers failed by the system?
Expand on this :- The way it was set up, atomizing complaints and making what were serious criminal matters into civil suits with confidentiality agreements etc was going to fall victims from day one. JohnB: Great input - I envisage some research coming up on each of the points raised.

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In recent years, countless stories have emerged about abuse within religious institutions, revealing a disturbing pattern of misconduct and cover-ups. The prevailing legal recourse for victims—no-win no fee arrangements—proves to be a hit-and-miss approach that too often results in lengthy delays and denies justice to those who have suffered. This system is inadequate and fails to provide consistent or timely resolutions for survivors.

The inherent unpredictability and financial burdens associated with no-win no fee litigation often deter many survivors from seeking justice. Furthermore, the lengthiness of legal procedures means that justice is not only delayed but, in many cases, effectively denied. As time passes, evidence may be lost, memories may fade, and perpetrators and those who shield them continue to evade accountability.

To address these challenges, we must advocate for robust legislation specifically designed to hold religious institutions accountable. Such laws should ensure that these entities are liable for abuse, mandate the reporting of abuse to authorities, and enforce strict penalties for failing to protect the vulnerable.

It is Time to take Action

It's time for all of us—survivors, advocates, policymakers, and the public—to come together and push for meaningful legislative changes. We must create a legal framework that supports the rights of survivors and holds institutions accountable without the barriers currently faced under no-win no fee systems.

Join the discussion and lend your voice to this crucial cause. Together, we can ensure that religious institutions are no longer above the law, and that justice is accessible and timely for every survivor.

Reach out to your local representatives, engage in community discussions, and spread the word. Every voice matters in the fight for justice and accountability.

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833-007: Is, there any research on the numbers failed by the current systems

ChatGPT Yes, there is research and data that highlight the shortcomings of current systems in providing justice to victims of abuse within religious institutions. Studies often focus on the failure rates of civil litigation, the inadequacy of internal church processes, and the barriers faced by survivors seeking redress. Here are a few key points often discussed in the literature:

Effectiveness of Internal Church Processes: Research has shown that internal processes, such as those established by various churches themselves (e.g., the Catholic Church's internal tribunals), often lack transparency and do not align with secular legal standards. This can result in a low success rate for victims seeking justice.

Barriers in Civil Litigation: The no-win no-fee arrangements, while helpful in providing access to legal representation without upfront costs, can also lead to issues. These include law firms potentially selecting only those cases with a high chance of success, thereby excluding many victims whose cases might be less clear-cut but nonetheless valid.

Statute of Limitations: Many survivors are unable to bring forward cases due to statute of limitations issues. Although some regions have started to reform these laws, allowing older cases to be heard, progress is uneven and many victims remain unable to seek justice.

Underreporting and Dropout Rates: Significant underreporting due to fear, shame, or lack of faith in the justice system remains a major hurdle. Even among those who initiate legal action, a high dropout rate is observed, often due to the emotional and psychological toll of lengthy legal processes.

Settlements and Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs): Many cases are settled out of court and include NDAs, which prevent victims from speaking publicly about their experiences. This can obscure the true scale of abuse and the failure of institutions to address it effectively.

Research in this field typically advocates for reforms including more victim-centered approaches, elimination of statutes of limitations for abuse cases, mandatory reporting laws, and greater oversight of religious institutions.

For specific studies and data, academic journals on law, social justice, and religious studies often publish relevant research. Reports from commissions like the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse also provide extensive data and analysis on these issues.

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This is the #Project833 page

Certainly, here's an expanded discussion on the systemic issues related to how complaints are handled, particularly the shift from criminal to civil jurisdiction and the use of confidentiality agreements:

Systemic Flaws: How the Handling of Abuse Complaints Fails Victims

One of the most critical flaws in the way institutions handle abuse complaints is the tendency to treat what are essentially serious criminal matters as civil disputes. This approach not only diminishes the severity of the abuse but also significantly impacts the justice process and outcomes for victims.

Atomization of Complaints The process often begins with the atomization of complaints—handling each case in isolation rather than recognizing them as part of a pattern or systemic issue within the institution. This fragmentation:

Prevents the recognition of widespread abuse by treating incidents as isolated events.

Reduces the ability to establish patterns of behavior among perpetrators, which is often crucial in criminal cases.

Limits collective action by victims, who might otherwise unite for a stronger case against the institution.

Shift to Civil Jurisdiction

By moving these cases from criminal to civil courts, institutions effectively change the narrative from one of societal protection and penal action to one of personal grievances and compensation. This shift has several implications:

Lower burden of proof: Civil cases require a lower burden of proof than criminal cases, which might seem beneficial to victims but often results in less severe consequences for perpetrators.

Focus on compensation: The emphasis moves towards financial settlements rather than punitive measures or rehabilitation, which can undermine the seriousness of the offenses.

Lack of public record: Unlike criminal convictions, civil settlements do not necessarily result in a public record, allowing perpetrators to possibly continue their misconduct unchecked.

Use of Confidentiality Agreements Confidentiality agreements (NDAs) are frequently employed in settlements of civil suits. These agreements:

Silence victims: NDAs prevent victims from speaking out about their experiences, effectively silencing them and removing their stories from public awareness and discourse.

Protect institutional reputations: By keeping abuse allegations quiet, institutions can avoid public scrutiny and potential consequences that might threaten their standing or operations.

Impede future claims: When the details of abuses are kept secret, other potential victims may not come forward, as they are unaware of the precedent or shared experiences with the perpetrator.

Consequences: The combination of these factors—atomizing complaints, shifting serious allegations into the civil realm, and enforcing confidentiality—ensures that many victims are denied a true path to justice from the outset. This system protects institutional interests over those of the victims and undermines the broader societal need for transparency, accountability, and prevention of further abuses.

Call for Systemic Reform

It is imperative that reforms address these systemic flaws. Measures might include:

Mandatory reporting of abuse allegations to law enforcement, not just internal authorities.

Prohibition of NDAs in cases of abuse, to ensure transparency and help other victims come forward.

Establishment of oversight bodies that work independently of the institutions involved to ensure complaints are investigated thoroughly and impartially.

Such reforms would not only aid in providing justice to victims but also in preventing future abuses by holding institutions and their members accountable in a public and transparent manner.

The award winning movie Spotlight movie showed that it takes a community to abuse a child. In meeting and talking with survivors, it was a pattern. People knew, families knew and very often it was a cozy arrangement, someone in all that mess benefitted.

ChatGPT The observations you've shared are deeply significant and are indeed reflected in narratives like those depicted in the award-winning movie "Spotlight." This film and many survivors' accounts underscore a troubling truth: child abuse within institutions often involves a network of complicity where various parties, including families, community members, and institutional authorities, are aware or involved in some capacity. This network creates an environment where abuse is not only possible but also perpetuated and concealed.

The pattern you've described, where abuse becomes part of a "cozy arrangement" with certain individuals benefiting, highlights the systemic corruption and moral failings within these structures. It's an arrangement that prioritizes the protection of the institution's reputation and the interests of its members over the safety and well-being of children.

This systemic issue calls for a comprehensive response:

Public Awareness and Education: Raising awareness about the signs of abuse and the importance of reporting suspicions.

Stronger Legal Frameworks: Enforcing stricter regulations and oversight of institutions to ensure that they are held accountable.

Community Involvement: Encouraging community vigilance and creating support networks for survivors and whistleblowers.

Support for Survivors: Providing robust support systems for survivors, including access to counseling, legal assistance, and platforms to share their stories without fear of retribution.

Your insights highlight the importance of a collective response to prevent and address child abuse. It emphasizes that protecting children is not just an individual responsibility but a communal obligation.

#833-1819 "Restorative justice has been hijacked and always fails victims in 90% of cases. The churches used it historically to deny deflect delay and recycle offenders. It was also used to circumvent.

JohnB: I agree with him in the main with the addition of police as there were and are member of religious entities who have a first allegiance to a foreign state through the Roman Catholic and others with connections with the Vatican.

JohnB: To my understanding much of that was known but not openly spoken of in 1950s 60s.

ChatGPT

Your observations and those shared by the supporter (#833-1819) you mentioned touch on critical aspects of the misuse of restorative justice by religious institutions, particularly in the context of abuse cases. This misuse is indeed a significant concern that has historically enabled these institutions to manage allegations internally, often to the detriment of justice for the victims.

Misuse of Restorative Justice

Restorative justice, when appropriately used, aims to repair harm by facilitating a process where offenders acknowledge their actions and make amends with the victims. However, in the context you've described:

Deflect and Delay: The process is often manipulated to delay legal proceedings, giving institutions time to manage public relations and possibly prepare legal defenses.

Denial of Responsibility: By framing the process as a path to forgiveness, institutions may coerce victims into forgiving abusers without ensuring proper accountability or systemic changes to prevent future abuse.

Recycling Offenders: One of the most grievous consequences of this misuse is the reassignment of offenders to new locations where they continue to have acces

s to potential victims, often with no warning to the new community.

Complicated Allegiances

The point about allegiance to a foreign state, such as the Vatican, adds another layer of complexity. In the mid-20th century, the global influence and sovereign status of the Vatican meant that many actions taken by religious figures could be obfuscated or protected under diplomatic or religious privileges. This dual allegiance — both to their country and to the Vatican — can create conflicts of interest, especially when allegations involve clergy or other religious figures.

Historical Context and Lack of Open Discussion During the 1950s and 60s, the lack of open discussion about these issues allowed many abuses to go unchecked and unchallenged. It wasn't just societal respect for religious institutions that prevented scrutiny, but also a widespread lack of awareness and understanding about the abuse taking place within these institutions. The power dynamics, coupled with the lack of media attention to such issues at the time, facilitated a silence that was devastatingly effective in hiding the truth. H

Moving Forward

Recognizing the historical context and addressing the misuse of restorative justice involves several steps:

Educational Campaigns: Raising awareness about the true purpose of restorative justice and its appropriate application.

Legislative Changes: Enforcing laws that require all allegations of abuse to be reported to secular authorities, irrespective of internal religious processes.

International Cooperation: Considering the international aspects of religious institutions, there needs to be cooperation across borders to ensure that religious figures cannot evade justice by moving to different jurisdictions.

Your perspective and the shared experiences of those you support underline the necessity for comprehensive reforms that prioritize the rights and wellbeing of survivors over the protection of institutional reputations.

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On asking about the AI accessing this page to help put some better order and understanding in this complex issue.

JohnB: There is a powerful amount of information and the potential to bring more to bear - this is the result of direct input from several of the best informed active advocates of CSA. The social failing of governments to protect the human right of the people and to fail to develop healthy social cohesion has left us all vulnerable. It simply seems unable to look beyond its own mythical delusions and to offer some paraphrased regurgitated garbage from our naive and primitive predecessors.

ChatGPT It sounds like your page captures a deep and comprehensive analysis of systemic issues and societal failings regarding child sexual abuse (CSA) within religious and other institutions. The involvement of knowledgeable advocates enriches the narrative by providing well-informed perspectives that underscore the urgency for change.

Addressing Governmental and Societal Failures Your critique of government inaction and the lack of robust social cohesion reflects a widespread frustration among survivors and advocates. Many governments have historically failed to hold powerful institutions accountable, often deferring to those institutions' internal mechanisms which are notoriously inadequate for handling abuse allegations.

The Challenge of Mythical Delusions

The term "mythical delusions" suggests that societal and institutional adherence to outdated and sometimes harmful beliefs and narratives continues to impede progress. These traditional narratives can create environments where abuses are minimized or overlooked, prioritizing institutional reputation over individual safety and justice.

Moving Toward Real Change

To address these deeply ingrained issues, a multifaceted approach is needed:

Educational Reform: Raising awareness and educating the public about the realities of CSA and the importance of safeguarding all children, regardless of the setting. Education can empower communities to recognize and respond to signs of abuse more effectively.

Legislative Action: Implementing and enforcing laws that strip institutions of their ability to handle abuse allegations internally and that mandate immediate referral to secular legal authorities. Legislation should also aim to eliminate statutes of limitations for abuse to ensure that survivors can seek justice when they are ready.

Cultural Shift: Challenging and changing the cultural narratives that protect abusers by valuing institutional reputations over human rights. This involves confronting and dismantling the "mythical delusions" that you describe.

Support for Advocacy: Supporting and amplifying the voices of advocates and survivors, ensuring they are heard at all levels of decision-making. Advocates often provide the most compelling and urgent arguments for change, grounded in real experiences and informed by direct knowledge of the system's failings.

International Collaboration: Because many religious institutions operate globally, international cooperation is crucial to ensure that abusers cannot evade justice by moving to different jurisdictions.

Your page likely serves as a critical resource for educating the public and rallying support for these necessary changes. By continuing to collaborate with informed advocates and pushing for societal and legislative reforms, you contribute significantly to the global effort to address and prevent child sexual abuse.

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JohnB: So often said it was not about being raped and abused as a child it was always about who raped and abused you and their money, power and connection.

833-007: Yes. Traumatized communities and people make shit choices and tolerate stuff that no one else would.

1. #Project833: Urgent Need for Legislation to Ensure Accountability of Religious Institutions
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