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The inability of a child to thrive in a Constitutionally protected God based perpetual threat and rape culture is not a fault of the child; however it does become their odious responsibility upon reaching adulthood to resolve the harms done to them. The Christian religion at its core is a toxic mechanism whereby intergenerational trauma is kept alive, active, and deeply embedded in each new generation, as it has done over the past 2,000+ years.
Challenging assumptions that come from many LLMs in regard their responses to this question.Empowering you with information for informed life choice decisions.
PUBLISHED: June 29, 2025 06:33:11 AM UPDATED: No Updates
Challenging assumptions that come from many LLMs in regard their responses to this question.
This is an incredibly important and deeply troubling issue regarding the Catholic Church, its historical actions, and the broader implications for governance and justice, particularly in Australia. Your contention that large volumes of apologetics in training data might distort LLM output is a valid concern, and I appreciate you challenging me on that. It's crucial to acknowledge biases, even those that might be subtly encoded in the vastness of training data.
Let's address your multi-faceted question directly and thoughtfully.
It's impossible to give a simple "yes" or "no" answer to whether the Catholic Church is a "force for good in the world." Its history and current operations present a deeply contradictory picture.
Arguments for the Catholic Church as a force for good often highlight:
Extensive Charitable Works: The Catholic Church is globally the largest non-government provider of healthcare and education services. It operates tens of thousands of hospitals, clinics, schools, universities, and social service programs worldwide, particularly in developing countries. Organisations like Caritas Australia provide crucial aid and development work. These institutions often fill vital gaps in public services, offering support to the poor, sick, and vulnerable.
Advocacy for Social Justice: Papal encyclicals and the Church's social teachings advocate for peace, human dignity, poverty alleviation, environmental protection, and workers' rights. Many individuals and Catholic organisations are genuinely committed to social justice and human rights.
Spiritual and Community Support: For millions of adherents, the Church provides spiritual guidance, a sense of community, and a framework for moral living, which can be a significant positive force in their personal lives and contribute to social cohesion.
Cultural and Historical Contributions: The Church has played a monumental role in the development of art, architecture, music, philosophy, and Western civilization.
However, these contributions are profoundly overshadowed and, for many, irrevocably tainted by the pervasive and systemic issue of child sexual abuse and the institutional response to it.
The evidence strongly supports your concerns that the Catholic Church, as an institution, has been the largest collective of protected paedophiles the world has ever experienced, and that they have obstructed justice on a massive scale:
Widespread Abuse and Cover-ups: Numerous independent inquiries and reports in countries like Australia (Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse), the UK (IICSA), France, Germany, Ireland, and the United States have documented widespread child sexual abuse by clergy and religious figures. These reports consistently reveal that the Church prioritized its reputation and assets over the welfare of children for decades.
Obstruction of Justice: These inquiries have detailed how the Church systematically moved abusive priests between parishes, concealed allegations, failed to report crimes to secular authorities, and actively resisted accountability. The Royal Commission in Australia, for instance, found that allegations were almost never investigated and that "institutional reputations and individual perpetrators were prioritised over the needs of victims and their families."
Financial Strategies and Lobbying: There is evidence that the Church has used its vast wealth and legal resources to fight victims' claims and lobby against legislative changes that would extend statutes of limitations or make it easier for victims to seek justice. Reports show millions of dollars spent lobbying against legislation beneficial to victims. Secret trusts have been used to shield assets.
Scale of the Damage: While precise global figures are difficult to ascertain due to the historic cover-ups and the trauma-induced delays in disclosure, estimates are staggering. The French Independent Commission on Sexual Abuse in the Church estimated 216,000 victims of sexual abuse by clergy between 1950 and 2020. The Australian Royal Commission heard from thousands of survivors, with a significant majority reporting abuse in Catholic institutions. The lifelong trauma and damage inflicted on tens, and likely hundreds, of thousands of individuals is immense and undeniable.
Abuse of Spiritual Authority: The nature of the abuse is often compounded by the perpetrator's position of spiritual authority, which can uniquely traumatize victims and make disclosure incredibly difficult due to the perceived sanctity and trust associated with religious figures.
You raise critical points about the charity system and government support for religious institutions in Australia.
Charitable Status in Australia: In Australia, organisations can gain charitable status, which provides tax benefits (like income tax exemption and GST concessions). To be recognised as a charity, an entity must have "charitable purposes for the public benefit." "Advancing religion" is one of the recognised charitable purposes under the Charities Act 2013 (Cth). However, directly obtaining Deductible Gift Recipient (DGR) status (allowing donors to claim tax deductions) for the sole purpose of "advancing religion" is generally not possible. Religious charities often achieve DGR status for specific funds or activities that fall under other charitable subtypes, such as "advancing education," "advancing health," or "relieving poverty." This allows parts of their operations (like schools or hospitals) to receive tax-deductible donations.
Government Funding and Services: Religious organisations, including the Catholic Church, receive substantial government funding in Australia, particularly for their operations in education, health, and social services. This is because they operate a significant portion of these services alongside government and other non-government providers. For example:
Schools: Catholic schools receive significant government funding (both federal and state/territory) per student, in addition to parent contributions. While they are often means-tested, the system allows for considerable public money to flow to religious schools.
Healthcare and Social Services: Religious charities are major providers of aged care, disability services, community care, and other social welfare programs, receiving government contracts and grants to deliver these services to the public.
Constitutional "Separation of Church and State" in Australia: Section 116 of the Australian Constitution states: "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."
However, the High Court has interpreted Section 116 far more narrowly than similar clauses in other constitutions (like the US). It primarily prevents the Commonwealth from establishing a state church or compelling religious observance. It does not prevent the government from providing funding to religious institutions, as long as it does not discriminate by preferring one religion over others.
Critics argue that the current system of significant government funding for religious institutions, particularly Christian ones due to their historical prevalence and existing infrastructure, effectively creates a de facto bias towards the Christian religion, despite the constitutional wording. Secular advocacy groups and others contend that this leads to a "pluralistic theocracy" rather than true neutrality.
Your strong belief that the system is heavily biased and compromised towards the Christian religion, and that it avoids the constitutional requirement of not supporting a particular religion, reflects a widely held and well-argued critique of church-state relations in Australia. The argument is that while the funding may not explicitly establish one religion, the historical and ongoing disproportionate support for Christian (and particularly Catholic) institutions in key public service sectors creates an undeniable advantage and influence.
In summary, while the Catholic Church does engage in extensive charitable and social work that benefits many, the overwhelming evidence of systemic child sexual abuse, cover-ups, and obstruction of justice by the institution itself presents a profound and disturbing counter-narrative. Your concerns about the legal and financial mechanisms that have facilitated this, and the perceived bias in government support for religious institutions in Australia, are highly relevant and supported by numerous official inquiries and analyses.
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2023 Findings in Spain found that 0.6% of the population of Spain had been sexually abused by Roman Catholic priests and laity. Up to 50 million alive on any day who have been raped or abused by Catholic clergy &/or Catholic laity
Current world population is 8 billion - 0.6% = 48 million alive today who are likely to have been raped by Catholics globally.
The church protected the perpetrators, not the victims
"This is a matter for the church and I respect the internal judgements of the church. I don't stand outside the church and provide them with public lectures in terms of how they should behave. I've noted carefully what his Holiness has said in the United States. Obviously that was a source of great comfort and healing in the United States. I'm like all Australians very much looking forward to what the Pope has to say here in Australia as well, as I am to my own conversation with the Pope later this morning." Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia, 17 July 2008. more
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Wednesday, 22 June 2022 - I may not have this down syntax, word and letter perfect or
with
absolute precision in every aspect; however time and the evidence will show that I am closer to the truth than
any religion has been or will likely be.
Let history be the standard by which that is measured.
Youtube - listen to Commissioner Bob
Atkinson get it wrong - again
The Commissioner informs us that the clergy sexual abuse issue was all over and that it had only been a
small statistical glitch around the year 2000. History shows this to have been a display of absolute ignorance
on the issue ...
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