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The inability of a child to thrive in a Constitutionally protected God based perpetual threat and rape culture is not a fault of the child; however it does become their odious responsibility upon reaching adulthood to resolve the harms done to them. The Christian religion at its core is a toxic mechanism whereby intergenerational trauma is kept alive, active, and deeply embedded in each new generation, as it has done over the past 2,000+ years.
Numbers only an AI can conceive of! No. It's Right in the Front of Your Mind.
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JohnB: Who said if the premise is false all that follows will be false
The idea that a false premise can lead to any conclusion is a fundamental principle in logic, often referred to as the principle of explosion or "ex falso quodlibet." This principle states that from a contradiction, anything follows. Essentially, if a premise is false, any conclusion derived from it can also be false.
JohnB: if a premise is false, any conclusion derived from it can also be false. To me that should read
if a premise is false, any conclusion derived from it must also be false.
I understand your perspective. The principle of explosion in classical logic states that from a false premise,
any
conclusion can follow. This means that if you start with a false premise, you can logically derive any
conclusion,
whether true or false.
However, your interpretation suggests a stricter view: if the premise is false, then any conclusion derived from
it must also be false. This isn't how classical logic works, but it's an interesting take. In classical logic,
the
focus is on the idea that a false premise can lead to any conclusion, not necessarily that the conclusion must
be
false.
JohnB: A false premise can lead to any conclusion including a truthful conclusion. This could be a
result of random chance or chaos theory. However that leads to pondering the notion that the principle of
explosion has one chance in a number of chances to randomly select the one single correct answer. There is
no
limit to the number incorrect answers.
JohnB: The task then would becomes determining a suitable number. I have a potential measure to use to
calculate the odds of randomly selecting the one correct answer from n.
JohnB: Can you suggest a way to measure that.
You're touching on an interesting aspect of probability and logic. To measure the odds of randomly selecting the
one correct answer from ( n ) possibilities, you can use basic probability principles.
The probability ( P ) of selecting the correct answer from ( n ) possibilities is given by:
$$ P = \frac{1}{n} $$
This formula assumes that each of the ( n ) possibilities is equally likely. Here's a step-by-step approach to
calculate this:
1. Identify the Total Number of Possibilities: Determine the total number of possible answers, ( n ).
2. Calculate the Probability: Use the formula ( P = \frac{1}{n} ).
For example, if there are 100 possible answers, the probability of randomly selecting the correct one is:
$$ P = \frac{1}{100} = 0.01 $$
This means there is a 1% chance of selecting the correct answer.
If you have a specific measure or additional constraints, you can incorporate those into the calculation. For
instance, if some answers are more likely than others, you would need to adjust the probabilities
accordingly.
JohnB: I propose using the belief in the Christian God as the basis of my measure and the count would
be calculated from an estimate of an average aged cradle Roman Catholic responding to a religious teaching,
prompt, Dogma or belief in a 24 hour day.
That's an intriguing approach! To estimate the number of responses an average-aged cradle Roman Catholic might
have to religious teachings, prompts, dogmas, or beliefs in a 24-hour day, we can consider several factors:
1. Daily Religious Practices: This includes prayers, attending Mass, reading religious texts, and participating
in
religious discussions.
2. Exposure to Religious Content: This could be through media, conversations, or personal reflection.
3. Personal Devotion: The level of personal devotion and engagement with religious practices can vary widely
among individuals.
Let's break it down:
1. Daily Prayers: Many Catholics pray multiple times a day, including morning prayers, grace before meals, and
evening prayers. Let's estimate 5 responses per day.
2. Mass Attendance: If attending daily Mass, that's 1 response per day.
3. Reading Religious Texts: This could be the Bible, catechism, or other religious literature. Let's estimate 1 response per day.
4. Religious Media: Listening to religious radio, watching religious TV programs, or reading religious articles. Let's estimate 2 responses per day.
5. Conversations and Reflections: Engaging in religious discussions or personal reflections. Let's estimate 3
responses per day.
Adding these up, we get:
$$ 5 \text{ (prayers)} + 1 \text{ (Mass)} + 1 \text{ (reading)} + 2 \text{ (media)} + 3 \text{
(conversations/reflections)} = 12 \text{ responses per day} $$
Using this estimate, if we consider the probability of randomly selecting the correct answer from these 12
responses, the probability ( P ) would be:
$$ P = \frac{1}{12} \approx 0.0833 $$
This means there's approximately an 8.33% chance of selecting the correct response randomly.
Does this align with your thinking, or would you like to adjust any of the estimates?
JohnB: Lets break it open as I see your Daily Factors do not take into account the many instances
where decisions are made on the basis of belief. These begin in fields of education and follow through to
providing services in many areas to a large portion of the population. Each of these acts are a result of
or a
product of their belief. It is my view that your breakdown touches less than 1% a more factual
perspective.
JohnB: Adding to that one must include all previous Christians as according to their beliefs there
must be billions of people spending 24 hours a day and will do that from around now until the end of the
Universe in about 20 or so billion years. Along with those are those cast into the fires of Hell which will
burn
for all eternity while the Deity burns them alive only to bring them back so that he can roast them alive
over
and over again for some vaguely moral notion or through the innocence of a child, an Alzheimer's or dementia
patient.
Lets break it open as I see your Daily Factors do not take into account the many instances where decisions
are
made on the basis of belief. These begin in fields of education and follow through to providing services in
many
areas to a large portion of the population. Each of these acts are a result of or a product of their
belief. It
is my view that your breakdown touches less than 1% a more factual perspective.
You raise an important point about the significant role beliefs play in decision-making across various fields,
including education and service provision. Beliefs indeed shape many of our decisions, often subconsciously.
Here
are some key ways beliefs influence decision-making:
1. Cognitive Biases: Our beliefs can lead to cognitive biases, which subtly shape our choices. For example, the
confirmation bias makes us favor information that confirms our preexisting beliefs https://www.acap.edu.au/news-and-opinion/6-core-beliefs-and-their-impact-on-decisions/.
2. Emotional Influence: Emotions, which are closely tied to our beliefs, heavily influence our decisions. For instance, feeling confident about a belief can lead to more decisive actions https://www.psychreg.org/psychology-decision-making-make-choices/.
3. Social and Cultural Factors: Beliefs are often rooted in cultural and social contexts, affecting group
decisions and norms. This can be seen in educational settings where cultural beliefs shape teaching methods and
student expectations https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-74675-9_6.
4. Personal Relevance: When people believe their decisions matter, they are more likely to engage deeply and
make
thoughtful
choiceshttp://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/180/decision-making-factors-that-influence-decision-making-heuristics-used-and-decision-outcomes.
Understanding these influences can help us recognize the broader impact of beliefs on decision-making, beyond
just
the logical or factual aspects. How do you think these factors play out in your own experiences or observations?
https://www.acap.edu.au/news-and-opinion/6-core-beliefs-and-their-impact-on-decisions/
https://www.psychreg.org/psychology-decision-making-make-choices/
Going back to "a false premise can lead to any conclusion including a truthful conclusion." and the number we
were seeking to quantify must have passed the realms of probability numerous times when asked a question as
to
the real existence of the Christian God that our world is made up from.
The idea that a false premise can lead to any conclusion, including a truthful one, is a fascinating aspect of
logic and philosophy. This concept highlights how the structure of an argument can sometimes lead to a true
conclusion even if the initial premise is false.
When it comes to the existence of the Christian God, this debate often involves deeply held beliefs and
subjective
probabilities. Philosophers and theologians have long discussed various arguments for and against the existence
of
God, such as the cosmological argument, the problem of evil, and others
https://bigthink.com/thinking/arguments-on-gods-existence/
https://www.edge.org/conversation/rebecca_newberger_goldstein-36-arguments-for-the-existence-of-god.
Beliefs significantly influence how people interpret evidence and make decisions. For instance, in moral
dilemmas,
individuals' subjective beliefs about outcome probabilities can shape their choices https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/judgment-and-decision-making/article/decisions-in-moral-dilemmas-the-influence-of-subjective-beliefs-in-outcome-probabilities/9A4324208B2E3DB61B001531623C0097.
Similarly, initial beliefs can affect how people update their judgments about probabilities when faced with new
evidence https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2012.00381/full.
In the context of the existence of the Christian God, people's prior beliefs and experiences play a crucial role
in how they assess the probability of God's existence. This interplay between belief and probability can lead to
a
wide range of conclusions, reflecting the diversity of human thought and experience.
How do you see these concepts playing out in your own reflections or discussions about belief and probability?
https://bigthink.com/thinking/arguments-on-gods-existence/
https://www.edge.org/conversation/rebecca_newberger_goldstein-36-arguments-for-the-existence-of-god
I was wanting to make a genuine attempt at answering my proposition of using the belief in the Christian God
as
the basis of my measure and the count would be calculated from an estimate of an average aged cradle Roman
Catholic responding to a religious teaching, prompt, Dogma or belief in a 24 hour day.
Given the now broader more realistic understanding of the scope what is a reasonable estimate of that
number.
To estimate the number of times an average-aged cradle Roman Catholic might respond to religious teachings,
prompts, dogma, or beliefs in a 24-hour day, we can consider several factors:
1. Daily Religious Practices: Many Catholics engage in daily practices such as prayer, reading scripture, or
attending Mass. For instance, a devout Catholic might pray multiple times a day (morning, meals, evening) and
read
religious texts.
2. Decision-Making Influences: Religious beliefs can influence various daily decisions, from ethical choices to interactions with others. This might include decisions about honesty, kindness, and charity.
3. Community and Social Interactions: Participation in community activities, discussions with family or friends
about faith, and involvement in church-related events can also be considered.
Based on these factors, let's make a rough estimate:
• Prayer and Reflection: Assuming an average of 3-5 prayer sessions per day.
• Ethical Decisions: If we consider that religious beliefs influence 5-10 decisions or actions per day.
• Community Interactions: Engaging in 1-2 faith-related discussions or activities per day.
Combining these, we might estimate that an average-aged cradle Roman Catholic could respond to religious
teachings, prompts, dogma, or beliefs approximately 10-17 times per day.
This is a rough estimate and can vary widely based on individual practices and levels of devotion. Does this
align
with your expectations, or do you have additional factors you'd like to consider?
JohnB: OK I am OK with approximately 20 per day (20 * 2.5 billion) to 1 of getting the right answer.
Great! So, if we estimate that an average-aged cradle Roman Catholic responds to religious teachings, prompts,
dogma, or beliefs approximately 20 times per day, and considering there are about 2.5 billion Christians
worldwide, the calculation would be:
$$20 \times 2.5 \text{ billion} = 50 \text{ billion responses per day}$$
This gives us a sense of the vast number of daily interactions influenced by religious beliefs. It's fascinating
to think about the scale and impact of these beliefs on daily life globally.
Is there anything specific you'd like to explore further with this estimate?
JohnB: There must be another few billion who have gone before to either heaven and Hell and their
influence factor could be said to be taken at 1 per second * 24 hours - that takes it well above
Trillions
That's an interesting perspective! If we consider the influence of those who have passed on, and estimate their
influence factor at 1 per second over a 24-hour period, the numbers indeed become astronomical.
Let's break it down:
• 1 influence per second means 60 influences per minute.
• Over an hour, this would be $$60 \times 60 = 3,600$$ influences.
• Over a 24-hour period, this would be $$3,600 \times 24 = 86,400$$ influences per day.
If we then consider billions of individuals who have passed on, the total influence would be:
$$86,400 \times \text{billions}$$
For example, if we consider 2 billion individuals:
$$86,400 \times 2 \text{ billion} = 172.8 \text{ trillion influences per day}$$
This calculation indeed takes the total influence well into the trillions, highlighting the immense and ongoing
impact of beliefs across time.
It's horrific to think about the reality of the cumulative influence of beliefs over generations. How do you see
this influencing our current understanding and practices?
I see an urgent need to rethink our governance systems and I feel the fairest way that has genuine potential for
self governance is to bring a trial on a living Constitution and Bill of Rights and tie that into the technology
hub style of engaging populations.
Your idea of rethinking governance systems by trialing a living Constitution and Bill of Rights, integrated with
technology hubs, is intriguing and forward-thinking. Here are some key points to consider:
Living Constitution and Bill of Rights
A living Constitution is a concept where the Constitution is interpreted in a dynamic manner, evolving with
societal changes without formal amendments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Constitution.
This approach allows
for
flexibility and adaptability in governance, ensuring that laws remain relevant as society progresses.
Technology Hubs for Engagement
Technology hubs can serve as centers for innovation and public engagement. They bring together various stakeholders, including government, industry, academia, and the community, to collaborate on technological advancements and policy development https://www.bcg.com/publications/2023/ecosystem-governance-for-innovation-hubs https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-governance-framework-for-regions-competing-for-tech-hubs-and-other-new-federal-investments/. These hubs can facilitate:
• Real-time feedback from citizens on governance issues.
• Collaborative decision-making processes.
• Transparent and accessible platforms for public participation.
Combining Both Concepts
By integrating a living Constitution with technology hubs, we can create a governance system that is:
• Responsive: Quickly adapts to new challenges and societal needs.
• Inclusive: Engages a broad spectrum of the population in decision-making.
• Innovative: Leverages technology to enhance governance and public services.
Practical Steps
1. Pilot Programs: Start with small-scale trials in specific regions to test the feasibility and impact.
2. Stakeholder Involvement: Ensure diverse participation from all sectors of society.
3. Continuous Evaluation: Regularly assess the effectiveness and make necessary adjustments.
This approach has the potential to create a more dynamic, inclusive, and effective governance system. How do you
envision the implementation of such a system in your community?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Constitution
https://www.bcg.com/publications/2023/ecosystem-governance-for-innovation-hubs
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-governance-framework-for-regions-competing-for-tech-hubs-and-other-new-federal-investments/
JohnB: Given that it is known that there are billions of humans being repeatedly consumed in the eternal
flames, it would be logical to ask Catholics for an ex-gratia gift to humanity so that we can end our hunger
for
power and so that we can safely leave the coal and oil in the ground while the sinners spend eternity
generating
electricity for the world. I can see no earthly or heavenly reason to deny this resource to
Humanity.
Given that it is known that there are billions of humans being repeatedly consumed in the eternal flames. it
would
be logical and reasonable to ask Catholics for an ex-gratia gift to humanity so that we can end our global
energy
crisis
JohnB: The Catholic Church, particularly under Pope Francis, has been very vocal about the need to
address the climate crisis and transition to clean energy sources. Pope Francis has emphasized the
importance of
caring for our common home and has called for decisive action to combat climate change
However, the idea of an "ex-gratia gift" from Catholics specifically to end the global energy crisis is quite
unconventional. The Church's approach has been more about advocating for systemic changes, promoting renewable
energy, and encouraging responsible stewardship of the environment https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2023-10/laudate-deum-pope-francis-climate-crisis-laudato-si.html
https://theconversation.com/vatican-conference-on-climate-resilience-is-the-latest-in-a-long-line-of-environment-initiatives-by-pope-francis-and-the-catholic-church-5-essential-reads-229770.
If you're interested in how religious communities can contribute to solving the energy crisis, it might be more
practical to look at how they can support and promote sustainable practices and policies. What are your thoughts
on this approach?
We would then be able to safely leave the coal and oil in the ground while the sinners spend eternity
generating electricity for the world. I can see no earthly or heavenly reason to deny this resource to
Humanity.
Do you think Humanity would benefit from such a gift?
It sounds like you're referring to a specific gift or advancement. Could you provide a bit more context or
details
about what you're thinking of? Whether it's a technological breakthrough, a scientific discovery, or something
else, I'd love to discuss its potential benefits for humanity!
I am talking about Given that it is known that there are billions of humans being repeatedly consumed in the
eternal flames. it would be logical and reasonable to ask Catholics for an ex-gratia gift to humanity so that we
can end our global energy crisis
2023 Findings in Spain found that 0.6% of the population of Spain had been sexually abused by Roman Catholic priests and laity. Up to 50 million alive on any day who have been raped or abused by Catholic clergy &/or Catholic laity
Current world population is 8 billion - 0.6% = 48 million alive today who are likely to have been raped by Catholics globally.
The church protected the perpetrators, not the victims
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Wednesday, 22 June 2022 - I may not have this down syntax, word and letter perfect or
with
absolute precision in every aspect; however time and the evidence will show that I am closer to the truth than
any religion has been or will likely be.
Let history be the standard by which that is measured.
Youtube - listen to Commissioner Bob
Atkinson get it wrong - again
The Commissioner informs us that the clergy sexual abuse issue was all over and that it had only been a
small statistical glitch around the year 2000. History shows this to have been a display of absolute ignorance
on the issue ...
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